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  <title>Model wont run - errors/not orthogonal</title>
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  <subtitle>Model wont run - errors/not orthogonal</subtitle>
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  <updated>2026-05-12T17:48:03Z</updated>
  <dc:date>2026-05-12T17:48:03Z</dc:date>
  <entry>
    <title>RE: Model wont run - errors/not orthogonal</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Michal Kleczek</name>
    </author>
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    <updated>2018-07-24T23:03:58Z</updated>
    <published>2018-07-24T23:03:58Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dear Camille,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I had a short look at your problem and network that you shared with
  us. Indeed the error is rather confusing since orthogonality is good.
  There is, however, another problem with your network and that is
  so-called 'small flow-link'. If you open your network in RGFGRID and
  you go to the &lt;em&gt;View -&amp;gt; Grid Properties&lt;/em&gt; there is an option
  to view '&lt;em&gt;Circumcenters are too close&lt;/em&gt;' (you may need a newer
  version of our software with a newer RGFGRID, depending on a version
  you are currently using). There are four (actually eight) 'corner'
  cells that have too close circumcenters and as a follow-up a small
  flow-link (connection between cirumcenters). You should have these
  points highlighted.&lt;br /&gt; To fix that you should go in the RGFGRID to
  the &lt;em&gt;Operations&lt;/em&gt; -&amp;gt; &lt;em&gt;Grid &lt;/em&gt;-&amp;gt; &lt;em&gt;Merge Circumcenters&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please note I have attached a picture on one of the 'corners' that is
  corrected (automatically removed netlink after using option above).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope that will help you to move forward with your model.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kind regards,&lt;br /&gt; Michal Kleczek, Deltares&lt;/p&gt;</summary>
    <dc:creator>Michal Kleczek</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2018-07-24T23:03:58Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>RE: Model wont run - errors/not orthogonal</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Camille Grimaldi</name>
    </author>
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    <updated>2018-07-23T09:21:26Z</updated>
    <published>2018-07-23T09:21:26Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Hi Jing, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have the same error but I don't see what I need to fix as my grid's
  orthogonality is 0.01 everywhere (see attached). Any idea of where
  else that could come from?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Camille&lt;/p&gt;</summary>
    <dc:creator>Camille Grimaldi</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2018-07-23T09:21:26Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>RE: Model wont run - errors/not orthogonal</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Lucy Tilsley</name>
    </author>
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    <updated>2017-07-12T11:30:53Z</updated>
    <published>2017-07-12T11:30:53Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Ok, thanks I&amp;#39;ll try to improve the orthogonality&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks&lt;br /&gt;Lucy</summary>
    <dc:creator>Lucy Tilsley</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2017-07-12T11:30:53Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>RE: Model wont run - errors/not orthogonal</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Jing Zhao</name>
    </author>
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    <updated>2017-06-29T13:48:05Z</updated>
    <published>2017-06-29T13:48:05Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Dear Lucy,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As mentioned in the User Manual, orthogonality is very important for accuracy: advised orthogonality values for your grid are around 0.01. The current threshold is 0.5, already quite high. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You could use RGFGRID to improve your grid orthogonality. You need to make the grid orthogonality satisfied before running the model.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kind regards,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jing Zhao&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Deltares</summary>
    <dc:creator>Jing Zhao</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2017-06-29T13:48:05Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Model wont run - errors/not orthogonal</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Anonymous</name>
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    <updated>2017-06-28T17:27:46Z</updated>
    <published>2017-06-28T17:27:46Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Hi,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;m new to using Delft 3d flexible mesh and am just trying to get a simple model running. &lt;br /&gt;I made a grid for my area (SWgridx_net.nc) which when I went to orthogonise came up with a node highlighted in yellow and an error message (pic1).&lt;br /&gt;I couldn&amp;#39;t figure out what was wrong and tried fixing it but  only thing that allowed me to orthogonise the grid that I could work out was to just delete the offending point, I then added a bed level (.xyz file) and the mesh saved from this grid and bed level (grid28617finish.nc) is shown in pic2. But when i go to run the model it comes up with an error saying not orthogonal (pic3).&lt;br /&gt;What can I do to fix this and get the model to run?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks,Lucy</summary>
    <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2017-06-28T17:27:46Z</dc:date>
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